Boundless: Charlie Sheen >>>>> Kanye West.

12 Mar

Boundless blogger Glenn Stanton recently took Kanye West to task for his tweets on abortion, while somehow throwing in a comparison to Charlie Sheen, in his post “He Makes Charlie Sheen Look Downright Gentlemanly.”  How Sheen’s recent antics have anything to do with West’s tweets is a giant non-sequitur to me.  But, this being Boundlessworld, that Sheen has avoided speaking about abortion is enough to earn him pity and a moral free pass:

Charlie is obviously deeply and sadly troubled. As a human being, he deserves our sympathy and prayers.

But for West there is no pity!  For making the following observations,

an abortion can cost a ballin’ n**ga up to 50gs maybe a 100.  Gold diggin’ bi**hes be getting pregnant on purpose. #STRAPUP my n**gas!

West is relegated to the scrap-heap of humanity.  Stanton then clutches his pearls and asks us, in italics, “What does one say?” Stanton continues with what may possibly be the most white-knighting, mangina-tastic, hand-flaily rant to grace Boundless in months:

Does our culture have even the most liberal criteria for a gag-reflex where we can collectively say, “This guy deserves to never be heard from again!” This guy is an offense not just to women, but to men as well who believe that women are perhaps — just maybe — much more than sexual objects that need fixing when they become mothers.

Kanye at least reveals what most women should realize, that abortion is not a feminist sacrament, but rather a predatory male’s plan B — a way to keep his woman in the sexual market for maximum access.

Neither Charlie nor Kanye are men. And it would be an insult to boys to call them boys. Charlie is pitiable. Kanye is not. He should be forced, like a man, to take responsibility for his misogynistic offensiveness. Will his market demand this of him?

So, let me get this straight:  Charlie Sheen, the proudly drug-addicted client of prostitutes and father of children by three different women, who once (accidentally?) shot then-fiancee Kelly Preston in the arm, who has slandered his boss Chuck Lorre with an anti-Semitic slur, deserves our pity and prayers.  But Kanye West, who spoke truth about abortion and gold-digging hos, is an evil misogynist the world should strike down?  Stanton seems to have no concept of the world that West lives in, which is one where many women, driven by both tingles and shrewd practicality, see powerful men as banks.  No, in Stanton’s world, a woman who sees an opportunity to extort resources from a man by bearing his child does not exist.  Instead, it’s the men who shoulder all the blame for using innocent women as sexual objects and using abortion as a means to keep women as slutty as possible.

And people wonder why gender relations in the church are so messed up.

West’s tweets are not the problem, and attacking West for his tweets will solve nothing.  Screeching against West is about as effective as putting a Band-Aid on a leg full of gangrene.  If the folks at Boundless (and elsewhere) want to see real social change, then they have to embrace the reality of female sexuality.  But what is the likelihood of that happening?  And what is the likelihood of anyone at Boundless ceasing to be so myopic as to understand that abortion is not a cause, it is a symptom?

 

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32 Responses to “Boundless: Charlie Sheen >>>>> Kanye West.”

  1. Simon Grey March 12, 2011 at 2:01 pm #

    And what Mr. Stanton seems not to realize is that Kanye is advocating alternative methods of birth control, not celebrating the existence of abortion. It seems that Mr. Stanton is being obtuse.

  2. CSPB March 12, 2011 at 2:46 pm #

    What’s up with Stanton’s language? I care little about crass language or cursing and I am admittedly biased but not racist. His language is offensive but of course it is also less offensive than taking the Lord’s name in vein. Many of the people I most respect in the manosphere are black. They do not challenge my bias but I self challenge my bias.

    As if abortion was only an issue for blacks! NOT!

    Both gender and race relations are not helped in the least by the likes of Glenn Stanton. With words like that, he does not have my respect even if I agree with his general belief opposing abortion. Stanton also gets is totally wrong in placing the blame for abortion solely on men. I’m not buying it and such him selling such crap causes him to lose all credibility as a rational man.

  3. Aunt Haley March 12, 2011 at 3:16 pm #

    Simon Grey–
    It seems that Mr. Stanton is being obtuse.

    It seems?

    The whole post was ill-reasoned and just a bad piece of writing overall.

  4. Hermes March 12, 2011 at 3:30 pm #

    Well, this provides yet more evidence that to today’s cultural conservatives, the only thing that matters is abortion. The entirety of the culture wars have been reduced to abortion. Anyone who opposes abortion is good, and anyone who supports it is bad, regardless of their positions on other issues.

    And Stanton’s means of arguing that abortion is not a feminist sacrament is linking to a book written by a feminist arguing that abortion is a sacrament?!

    BTW, they had Glenn Stanton on the Boundless Show once to discuss that infamous piece by Hannah Rosin in The Atlantic, “The End of Men.” During the interview, Stanton addressed neither Rosin’s piece nor the questions posed to him by Lisa Anderson, electing instead to just keep repeating the Boundless/Focus/mainstream-social-con mantras about men needing to “man up,” women needing to hold men to a higher standard, men needing to move out of their parents’ basements and stop playing video games, etc. It was really weird; Lisa was actually asking him intelligent questions and he kept giving these non-sequitur answers. I thought it was clear he hadn’t read Rosin’s piece either. Apparently in Stanton’s world, we don’t need to actually think and engage with the issues; we can solve all our problems by mindlessly repeating slogans.

  5. Badger March 12, 2011 at 7:41 pm #

    How clueless.

  6. ASDF March 12, 2011 at 10:10 pm #

    Charlie is likable, Kanye is not. And by all accounts, Chaim Levine is a stereotypical, arrogant Hollywood you-know-what.

  7. Ceer March 13, 2011 at 1:22 am #

    I think Haley’s panning of Mr. Staunton in this post demonstrates that conservatives aren’t solely concerned with abortion. If your focus is just on commentators, the media as a group probably selectively gives its attention to the ones that focus more on canned answers.

    Many non talkshow guest conservatives, both christians and otherwise see abortion, divorce, and other social ills as symptoms of an undue focus on ones personal pleasure as the only purpose for sex.

  8. lifeinlonglegs March 13, 2011 at 11:09 am #

    “Kanye at least reveals what most women should realize, that abortion is not a feminist sacrament, but rather a predatory male’s plan B — a way to keep his woman in the sexual market for maximum access.”

    Exactly.

    And? Abortion is a form of ethnic cleansing for the poor…. look at the stats – it is more of an issue, more pushed for minorities and the impoverished. I read something about the percentage of African American babies in the states that survive to be born being something like 50%. [I know, scientific – thanks.]

  9. Hermes March 13, 2011 at 11:20 am #

    Many non talkshow guest conservatives, both christians and otherwise see abortion, divorce, and other social ills as symptoms of an undue focus on ones personal pleasure as the only purpose for sex.

    Yes and no. They do think society places an undue focus on ones personal pleasure as the only purpose for sex, but they think that is entirely men’s fault. Abortion is bad because it harms women. Pornography is bad because it exploits women. Divorce is bad because it harms women. (When you use the word “divorce” around a mainstream social con, the image that comes to mind for him is not the Eat, Pray, Love wife leaving her boring beta husband to have exciting adventures, but the middle-aged businessman dumping his frumpy middle-aged wife to shack up with his 25-year-old secretary.)

    Stanton’s post is yet more evidence of this. They seem to think that women are not fallen and do not have original sin. Women’s natural desires sync up with God’s will 100%; the only reason we’re not still living in Eden is that men keep screwing things up with their lustfulness, greed, arrogance, etc.

  10. Will S. March 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm #

    “Abortion is a form of ethnic cleansing for the poor”

    Who is forcing (not merely suggesting / encouraging, but actually forcing) poor women to have abortions?

  11. jack March 13, 2011 at 9:55 pm #

    Will –

    By SELLING it as empowerment and freedom.

    Abortion is a deceptively marketed product. Women buy into it because it plays to the whole girl power thing.

  12. jack March 13, 2011 at 10:09 pm #

    By the way, one look at the photo of the guy who wrote the post says it all. Mangina all the way.

    I can’t say exactly why, but you know it when you see it.

  13. Will S. March 14, 2011 at 6:24 am #

    I agree, jack, but it still isn’t forcing anyone.

  14. Hermes March 14, 2011 at 12:42 pm #

    jack, listen to the Boundless Show podcast for the episode I linked. Stanton talks like a mangina too.

  15. Aunt Haley March 14, 2011 at 6:03 pm #

    Hermes–
    (When you use the word “divorce” around a mainstream social con, the image that comes to mind for him is not the Eat, Pray, Love wife leaving her boring beta husband to have exciting adventures, but the middle-aged businessman dumping his frumpy middle-aged wife to shack up with his 25-year-old secretary.)

    So true.

    Hermes, do you listen to the podcasts regularly?

  16. Hermes March 15, 2011 at 3:14 am #

    There have been a few podcasts of which I’ve listened to one choice segment, when their synopsis of that segment in the blog post about it sparked my interest. I’ve never made a habit of it or listened to an entire podcast, and it’s been a while since I’ve listened to even part of one. In general I don’t know what they’re usually like.

  17. Lily March 15, 2011 at 5:00 pm #

    Sorry to be stupid, but what does this mean ‘an abortion can cost a ballin’ n**ga up to 50gs maybe a 100.’
    I wondered when I first saw it and you’ve just reminded me.

    In the UK, I’d think it meant like ’50 grand’ (50,000 pounds) but that doesn’t make sense. An abortion wouldn’t cost anything like that. Or is it because he’s famous, the ‘gold digging hoes’ say give me 50k to have an abortion or I’m going to have the baby and sue you for child support.
    Or does it mean something completely different?

  18. Hermes March 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm #

    Another constant and disappointing theme of Boundless is that the discussions that need to happen in the blog comments section are never the ones that happen. Inevitably, a promising comments thread gets derailed onto a much less interesting or fruitful topic. This occurred in the old entry I linked, where Stanton discussed (or failed to discuss) the article on the end of men. This was by far the most interesting topic in that podcast, but the comments section was consumed by a debate on one of the other segments–on premarital kissing. And it’s happening with this entry, which, predictably, has been derailed by the inevitable accusations of racism against Stanton for unfavorably comparing Kanye West to Charlie Sheen.

  19. JM March 15, 2011 at 8:02 pm #

    @Lily: “Grand” (or “gs”) has the same meaning here in the States (although of course referring to the local currency, i.e. US dollars).

    As for why it would cost so much, your guess is as good as mine–“ballin'” is slang for “extravagantly wealthy” so that would lend weight to your interpretation.

  20. Aunt Haley March 15, 2011 at 8:09 pm #

    Lily–
    He’s probably referring to hush money.

  21. Hermes March 17, 2011 at 7:34 am #

    Mangina alert #2: here’s what Glenn Stanton, who apparently has not a molecule of testosterone in his body, had to say to someone who accused him of racism:

    sdanibenjamin, I so appreciate your kind and honest note back. It hurts my heart when I hear that something I have said is hurtful. And while I don’t honestly understand how what I said was hurtful, I take your words seriously and want to apologize.

    Yes, I would love to sit down over tea (I am not a coffee drinker either, and am actually in China now, enjoying their wonderful tea!) and get a better understanding from you. That is how we learn and grow.

    Thank you for your kind but honest response. I appreciate that.

    glenn

    So he’s apologizing despite openly admitting that he doesn’t even understand what he did wrong. And he’s taking the Obama/Henry Louis Gates approach to racism charges. Apparently, whenver someone calls you a racist, the solution is to have some sort of beverage summit. Only with Stanton it has to be a tea summit rather than a beer summit, because beer is unbiblical. And coffee is just too harsh and masculine.

  22. Aunt Haley March 17, 2011 at 10:21 am #

    It hurts my heart when I hear that something I have said is hurtful.

    It hurts MY heart that someone who wrote such a sentence is a paid writer.

  23. Hermes March 17, 2011 at 10:24 am #

    Glenn Stanton has guilt-induced chest pain. He needs a full cardiac workup.

  24. Hermes March 17, 2011 at 10:25 am #

    This is from a guy who says our society isn’t “manufacturing good men” and lauds the WWII generation as strong and masculine in contrast with the feminized men of today. Does he think our grandfathers ever said anything remotely like “It hurts my heart when I hear that something I have said is hurtful”?!

  25. Samson March 17, 2011 at 12:06 pm #

    Glenn Stanton has guilt-induced chest pain. He needs a full cardiac workup.

    Ha, ha… good medical insider joke, Herm.

  26. Aunt Haley March 17, 2011 at 12:06 pm #

    Hermes, you’re killing me with your righteous fury.

  27. Samson March 17, 2011 at 12:09 pm #

    This is from a guy who says our society isn’t “manufacturing good men” and lauds the WWII generation as strong and masculine in contrast with the feminized men of today. Does he think our grandfathers ever said anything remotely like “It hurts my heart when I hear that something I have said is hurtful”?!

    What the church (or Beta church men, at least) needs to learn is that if God created masculinity, then He wants us to express it in all its dimensions. Be loud. Be impulsive. Get what you want. Make jokes. Chat up women. It’s fun, and it’s manly. Don’t say stuff like “it hurts my heart to be hurtful.”

  28. Samson March 17, 2011 at 12:10 pm #

    Hermes, you’re killing me with your righteous fury.

    Hey Haley-lady, I know this young man that I think would be perfect for you.

  29. Helvetica March 17, 2011 at 3:09 pm #

    The blog comments section was the #1 reason I quit reading Boundless. Are the other Christians in my age bracket really that stupid? It made me despair for the future.

  30. Aunt Haley March 17, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

    Samson–
    Hey Haley-lady, I know this young man that I think would be perfect for you.

    I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

    Helvetica–
    The blog comments section was the #1 reason I quit reading Boundless.

    Well, when they all started saying what big fans of various sci-fi shows they were, it filled in a lot of gaps as to the demographic. Also, it seems like 95% of the female commenters say they are overweight and have body image issues, and the men are consistently rejected when they attempt to “man up.” So draw your own conclusions about who you’re dealing with over there.

  31. Lily March 17, 2011 at 5:01 pm #

    @Haley and JM
    Thank you. Not very hush if he goes around telling people he does it though, funny guy.

    @JM
    >”ballin’” is slang for “extravagantly wealthy” so that would lend weight to your interpretation.<
    lol, I had thought maybe 'ballin' was something sexual linked to getting someone pregnant :-)

    @Haley
    I like a bit of scifi.. but as for readership, some guy at Roissy mentioned Japan..as in would there be a Godzilla

  32. Samson March 17, 2011 at 6:52 pm #

    Haley-lady-
    I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

    !

    Helvetica-
    The blog comments section was the #1 reason I quit reading Boundless.

    Really? It’s been ages since I read Boundless regularly, but I remember the comments being useful, if only in a disappointingly revealing sort of way. My impression was of a small band of articulate, honest men offering consistent accounts of What Young Men Are Really Like and What They Really Want; this advice was continually rebuffed by a cohort of well-trained hamsters. It seemed much the same when I ventured back there yesterday or so.

    Colour me overly rosy-coloured, but I think there’s value in understanding what you’re up against.

    Also, it seems like 95% of the female commenters say they are overweight and have body image issues, and the men are consistently rejected when they attempt to “man up.” So draw your own conclusions about who you’re dealing with over there.

    It’s called the Internet Demographic.

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